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[jiff]

......the acronym may be meaningless to some....but stands for Ultra Low Emission Zone
and refers to the creation of an area of central London (to be expanded next year)
& (maybe?) other cities (soon).....
Vehicles which dont comply with certain emission standards will have to pay a significant fee
to enter the zone. This seems to apply to all 850s & perhaps early 900s.....(not sure)

Battling through all the gov. info. it appears that some vehicles can be modified to make them compliant,
but I cant decipher more detail.....some sort of filter appears available, to be fitted by officialy registered
companies...but that may only be for diesels.

Anyone know more?.........Jiff

[fixitsan]

I was reading recently that ALL pre-2007 scooters and mopeds will be paying ULEZ in London...or at least, that is the proposal. In which case it may be the thin end of the wedge and extended to motorcycles too. My 2004 registered TDM900 is chargeable. There is a site you can go to and check your bike via it's reg number....

 

 > > >  Check Here > >  https://tfl.gov.uk/m...rm-checker-ulez

[jiff]

I was reading recently that ALL pre-2007 scooters and mopeds will be paying ULEZ in London...or at least, that is the proposal. In which case it may be the thin end of the wedge and extended to motorcycles too. My 2004 registered TDM900 is chargeable. There is a site you can go to and check your bike via it's reg number....
 
 > > >  Check Here > >  https://tfl.gov.uk/m...rm-checker-ulez

.....yep!.....done that.....my 4TX is definitely liable to attract the charge
I live in what will be the expanded zone, and will, apparently, be granted a limited ‘stay of execution’
but then will have to cough along with everyone else......
Don’t want to part from my beloved 4TX......so hence trying to see if any mods. are available / possible
to make it compliant

[fixitsan]

.....yep!.....done that.....my 4TX is definitely liable to attract the charge
I live in what will be the expanded zone, and will, apparently, be granted a limited ‘stay of execution’
but then will have to cough along with everyone else......
Don’t want to part from my beloved 4TX......so hence trying to see if any mods. are available / possible
to make it compliant

 

I know where you're coming from, but any modification would mean that they would need to inspect it....and anyone else's, whoever chooses to do that. The very least i would imagine would be the requirement for a new SVA test (type approval)  and certificate of compliance...not cheap.

 

You just need a small electric motor and battery pack on the front wheel (or rear wheel) and you can call it a hybrid

Edited by fixitsan, 05 December 2018 - 06:02 pm.

[curlylegend]

 

I know where you're coming from, but any modification would mean that they would need to inspect it....and anyone else's, whoever chooses to do that. The very least i would imagine would be the requirement for a new SVA test (type approval)  and certificate of compliance...not cheap.

 

You just need a small electric motor and battery pack on the front wheel (or rear wheel) and you can call it a hybrid

 

Try convincing DVLA of that.....

[fixitsan]

 

Try convincing DVLA of that.....

 

Well funny you should mention that, as someone who has converted an FZ600 to electric power I thought it would be a nightmare. but all I need to do is just change fuel type to 'Electricity' and they issue a new appropriate reg document,

 

I don't have a clue about hybrid though....  I've just found this for someone's hybrid car, lists fuel type  'Hybrid Electric'

• Date of first registration: March 2017

• Year of manufacture: 2017

• Cylinder capacity (cc): 1395 cc

• CO₂Emissions: 40 g/km

• Fuel type: HYBRID ELECTRIC

• Export marker: No

• Vehicle status: Tax not due

• Vehicle colour: WHITE

• Vehicle type approval: M1

• Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY

• Revenue weight: 2040kg

 

 

 

DVLA don't require an inspection

[curlylegend]

 

Well funny you should mention that, as someone who has converted an FZ600 to electric power I thought it would be a nightmare. but all I need to do is just change fuel type to 'Electricity' and they issue a new appropriate reg document,

 

I don't have a clue about hybrid though....  I've just found this for someone's hybrid car, lists fuel type  'Hybrid Electric'

• Date of first registration: March 2017

• Year of manufacture: 2017

• Cylinder capacity (cc): 1395 cc

• CO₂Emissions: 40 g/km

• Fuel type: HYBRID ELECTRIC

• Export marker: No

• Vehicle status: Tax not due

• Vehicle colour: WHITE

• Vehicle type approval: M1

• Wheelplan: 2 AXLE RIGID BODY

• Revenue weight: 2040kg

 

 

 

DVLA don't require an inspection

 

Well, Well, Well …. ?

 

Is this a loophole ?    Use it as much as you can.  Well done !

 

Doubt  you'd get away with it in France.  But who knows...?

[fixitsan]

 

Well, Well, Well …. ?

 

Is this a loophole ?    Use it as much as you can.  Well done !

 

Doubt  you'd get away with it in France.  But who knows...?

 

 

I started looking into it years ago when I thought about building an electric car. On one of the forums was a guy, ex engineer and a serving cop, who had figured out that the smart thing to do  was to convert a car which had a current MOT, send off the logbook to DVLA with the adjustment to the fuel type, who then simply returned an updated V5. At the next MOT the car is tested against the fuel class.on the V5

 

The only people who are shirty , (and perhaps rightly so) are the insurance companies. Some insist on an engineer report at minimum, others have asked for a full SVA 'type approval' test, and the rest won't touch you with a bargepole.

[curlylegend]

Insurance companies..... a bunch of accuntants  led by bookies.

[fixitsan]

Insurance companies..... a bunch of accuntants  led by bookies.

 

My dad taught me at a young age .  Banks are only money lenders with a smiley tv advert !

[fixitsan]

I just came across this on a Facebook group....

 

Euro 3 Compliance Info

One of our members has found out how to see if your older bike is actually Euro 3 compliant, see below:

Good news, i've copied and pasted the result of the riders outcoem - " ULEZ has accepted the documentation and my bike is now ULEZ exempt! The NOx figure is what TFL care about and the 1200GS has a figure of 0.038 whereas the maximum allowed is 0.15 (EURO3 standard) so it is way under.

Process for 1200GS
You will need the homologation paper for your bike, it is based on the VIN number I am afraid. I got mine from BMW homologation department (email eccoc@bmw.co.uk) after sending through a copy of my V5, filling in a form and paying £120.00. If you email them will will send you the form you need to complete.

Once you have the homologation certificate you send that along with a copy of the V5 to TFL (there is a link on ther website for applying for exemption) and you should receive notification in a few days.

If you have a friendly BMW dealer try ask them for the homologation papers, it may save you £120.00!

Other < 2006 bikes
What I did is contact eccoc@bmw.co.uk for the emission figures for the bike in question. You should get a table with the emission figures, the important one is the NOx. If the NOx is under 0.15 then you need to decide if you want to pay the £120.00 for the homologation papers. TFL require the homologation papers to grant you exemption." This may also work with other manufacturers.

[SausageSide]

2021 UPDATE

Hello folks, sorry my first post is tagged on the end of an old thread, but I've just bought a TDM900 and have had it confirmed from a couple of members on Facebook TDM groups that ANY TDM900 is in fact ULEZ compliant.

A user on the Facebook group associated with Carpe detailed the steps he took to get his 2003 TDM exempted in 2020:

He emailed customer services at Yamaha UK, who confirmed that the NOx emissions for an early TDM900 are 0.06g/kg, less than half the qualifying 0.15g/kg threshold for ULEZ compliance.

Yamaha sent him a certificate of conformity for a fee of £75 (or possibly £60, I may have misunderstood the message there) which he presented to TFL, who accepted it and granted his bike a ULEZ exemption.

I'm new to these bikes but it strikes me as an ideal machine for those who want a bike for touring/scratching but also need to get about in London. The TFL ULEZ checker claims the pre 07 bikes are not compliant, and it would be a shame for anyone to part with a bike they enjoy based on bad information from the TFL database.

I am about to go through the process myself in readiness for the ULEZ extension later this year, and since this thread seems to conclude that pre 07 TDMs are not compliant it might be prudent to open a new thread, starting with a step-by-step guide on how to get your bike through the process.

As I say I'm new to Carpe-TDM so I'd be interested to hear your collective thoughts!

Safe riding

[Favs]

I checked mine here https://tfl.gov.uk/m...w-emission-zone

 

Sez it's ok on an 08 plate - so no surprise there. Be interesting to see how you go with your quest 

 

Checked the German oil burner - is OK also

Edited by Favs, 16 January 2021 - 08:45 pm.

[Studley Ramrod]

Hello and welcome sausage.

[wicklamulla]

Gaz (owns the Commuters Motorcycle Club website) got his 2005 thru the ULEZ test too last year.