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[sidestand]

Avonne has a shortened Hagon unit with remote adjustment on his niner - he's got Hagon progressive fork springs as well

[T_T]

Avonne has a shortened Hagon unit with remote adjustment on his niner - he's got Hagon progressive fork springs as well

Thanks

[ChrisG]

Dandywarhol's spend a bit of effort in the suspension on his 900. If you find one of his posts he's got it listed in his footer. Also try a search for "gold valve emulators" for some discussion on 900 front suspension.

[dandywarhol]

Thanks

RACE TECH front internals and FOURNALES on the rear

[Toraneko]

Any 900
had ever changed the rear shock or front springs? Any recommandations?

Firstly, You can spend alot of money on gold valves, etc ad nauseum, but they won't make much difference without the right springs for you.


I find the OEM rear shock assy quite good. I set the spring pre-load on 6 for my 95kg self & crank it up to 8 when wife(another 80kg 5' 10" )climbs onboard. Compression I set a little above standard( harder )
& rebound is set at standard. The rear end, mine & the bike's feel pretty good with that setup. Though it would be nice if the rear pre-load adjustment was easier like on the V-Strom.

The front OEM springs were WAY TOO SOFT for me & my riding style. Only with the front spring pre-load cranked right up(1) did the front end get close to feeling any good braking / handling wise.

I put Hyperpro Progressive fork springs + their 15w oil in & the front end is now much, much better. The bad Front end dive is gone & I brake more confidently. The ride over rough roads is very smooth
& the cornering is superb. Spring pre-load is now on 6.

I've had this kit in two bikes now & both were improved immensely by fitting it. I know there are some that don't like the progressive rate spring theory, but I also know that there are professional riders that don't use anything else. The TDM900 uses a progressive linkage system on the rear anyway.
Personally I reckon they are Brilliant!

Edited by TDMtoraneko, 06 February 2009 - 12:46 am.

[T_T]

Firstly, You can spend alot of money on gold valves, etc ad nauseum, but they won't make much difference without the right springs for you.
I find the OEM rear shock assy quite good. I set the spring pre-load on 6 for my 95kg self & crank it up to 8 when wife(another 80kg 5' 10" )climbs onboard. Compression I set a little above standard( harder )
& rebound is set at standard. The rear end, mine & the bike's feel pretty good with that setup. Though it would be nice if the rear pre-load adjustment was easier like on the V-Strom.

The front OEM springs were WAY TOO SOFT for me & my riding style. Only with the front spring pre-load cranked right up(1) did the front end get close to feeling any good braking / handling wise.

I put Hyperpro Progressive fork springs + their 15w oil in & the front end is now much, much better. The bad Front end dive is gone & I brake more confidently. The ride over rough roads is very smooth
& the cornering is superb. Spring pre-load is now on 6.

I've had this kit in two bikes now & both were improved immensely by fitting it. I know there are some that don't like the progressive rate spring theory, but I also know that there are professional riders that don't use anything else. The TDM900 uses a progressive linkage system on the rear anyway.
Personally I reckon they are Brilliant!

I couldnt imagine a better explanation, thanks mate

[dandywarhol]

Firstly, You can spend alot of money on gold valves, etc ad nauseum, but they won't make much difference without the right springs for you.
I find the OEM rear shock assy quite good. I set the spring pre-load on 6 for my 95kg self & crank it up to 8 when wife(another 80kg 5' 10" )climbs onboard. Compression I set a little above standard( harder )
& rebound is set at standard. The rear end, mine & the bike's feel pretty good with that setup. Though it would be nice if the rear pre-load adjustment was easier like on the V-Strom.

The front OEM springs were WAY TOO SOFT for me & my riding style. Only with the front spring pre-load cranked right up(1) did the front end get close to feeling any good braking / handling wise.

I put Hyperpro Progressive fork springs + their 15w oil in & the front end is now much, much better. The bad Front end dive is gone & I brake more confidently. The ride over rough roads is very smooth
& the cornering is superb. Spring pre-load is now on 6.

I've had this kit in two bikes now & both were improved immensely by fitting it. I know there are some that don't like the progressive rate spring theory, but I also know that there are professional riders that don't use anything else. The TDM900 uses a progressive linkage system on the rear anyway.
Personally I reckon they are Brilliant!

While I with you in theory, in practice I found the 85kg Race Tech springs and the Gold Valves too hard. I put the original (soft) springs back in again not expecting much and found the combo of gold valve conversion and original springs with medium weight oil (Motul) to be just right for me.

So, in reality, its the soft springs combined with the shitty original damping system which makes the front so vague IMO.

Edited by dandywarhol, 08 February 2009 - 11:43 pm.

[Toraneko]

While I with you in theory, in practice I found the 85kg Race Tech springs and the Gold Valves too hard. I put the original (soft) springs back in again not expecting much and found the combo of gold valve conversion and original springs with medium weight oil (Motul) to be just right for me.

So, in reality, its the soft springs combined with the shitty original damping system which makes the front so vague IMO.

my 10kg more weight probably makes all the difference when you multiple it by however many +/- G's coming into & out of corners.
I actually find with the Hyperpro springs, 15w oil & OEM damping rebound set on 2 that, the front end is just about spot on for me solo & being progressive it handles just as well with a pillion.
It all gets down to rider weight, riding style, etc. Whatever works best for you personally.

[Finch]

hi

Silly newbie question, i am looking at a second hand wp rear shock from an unknown year of tdm. As far as i can see the 850 mk1 and mk2 are interchangeable, if it happens to be from a 900 will it fit my mk11 850?
cheers

[sidestand]

Afraid not ......the Mk1 & Mk2 have a direct linkage, the Niner is indirect, so different length & fittings.

By the way Finch, if it's that WP on Evilbay at the moment, it's not for a TDM, it's for a TRX - again, different end fittings

Edited by sidestand, 06 January 2010 - 08:41 pm.

[Finch]

Afraid not ......the Mk1 & Mk2 have a direct linkage, the Niner is indirect, so different length & fittings.

By the way Finch, if it's that WP on Evilbay at the moment, it's not for a TDM, it's for a TRX - again, different end fittings

Damn Damn Damn thought it was too good to be true, thanks for the heads up by the way, was going to buy that!!! Oh well back to the search for the elusive quality 2nd hand rear shock bargain.

[MotoBloke]

Afraid not ......the Mk1 & Mk2 have a direct linkage, the Niner is indirect, so different length & fittings....

To be really clear - the 850 models have NO 'linkage'. That's also why they have such a heavy spring, relative to 'linkaged' bikes of similar porkiness. No other Yamahas nor most other similar bikes have this non-linkage style monoshock. (No, I can't think of one that does!)

Also, the 850 Mk1 has cartridge style fork internals, the 850 Mk2 has simpler, cruder, damper rod internals.

And: The 900s forks have several variations (I think JBX has a chart) - mainly in spring strength and damping, almost from year to year, that you can't talk about the 900 front ends collectively.

Do all the 900s have linkage rear suspension? Even so, I'm guessing spring rates and damping varied a lot over the years, no?

Edited by MotoBloke, 03 May 2010 - 08:24 am.

[hammerman]

Damn Damn Damn thought it was too good to be true, thanks for the heads up by the way, was going to buy that!!! Oh well back to the search for the elusive quality 2nd hand rear shock bargain.

There's one here

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item4aa11127d4

Always going to be a gamble, but at that price.

[DevoTDM]

I like the look of the WP EDSII website. Bet it's not cheap. Anyone come across these before? Reliable?

[TYREDNGRUMPEE]

Have decided that Nitron rear is for me. Money well spent I believe. Will get a remote pre-load adjuster as well.



NITRON 850 PAGE

Edited by TYREDNGRUMPEE, 15 October 2010 - 07:17 pm.

[Moose]

Myself and Mat101 have fitted the Wilbers 640 with hydraulic remote pre-load adjuster and so far i truly cannot believe how much it has transformed the rear of the bike, instead of squatting down at the rear, the front wheel comes up a lot more and it feels twice as planted in the corners IMHO

We both bought from Revs Racing and the 2 guys there Nick and John are very helpful as the shock is built to your requirements rather than off the shelf

[Matt101]

They really are the dogs danglies!!

Well worth the money.

Matt

[DevoTDM]

Has anybody come across a remote pre-load adjuster that can be fitted to the OEM rear shock?

[aircooled68]

Have decided that Nitron rear is for me. Money well spent I believe. Will get a remote pre-load adjuster as well.



NITRON 850 PAGE

Did you get the nitron?



Dave

[TYREDNGRUMPEE]

Did you get the nitron?
Dave

Not yet. It is at the top of my list as soon as I've scraped enough funds together for next years tour. Pyrennees (again) or Italy, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica.
Plus new passport. Deffo Nitron above anything else though.
It will be done. Changing the suspension is a ritual with me.
Currently running a very standard/recently overhauled front end and a stock rear shock.
I find they work well, but the range within which they work together varies through the course of a ride, widely.
This makes riding the thing a different experience from a full tank to empty. I've never had to adapt so much in the course of a trip.
Throw in some luggage, still I love the bike and the ride. Shame if it became less interesting.
I aim to get a better balance between both ends and will experiment with the front as per suggestions I've read here.
Will fit the Nitron first. I always play with the settings and will have a remote adjuster.
Could it turn out that it becomes boring?
No rush