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[dapleb]

Would be lovely for us mk1'ers.

https://petition.par...etitions/244066

[dablik]

Agreed and done.

[drewpy]

Thought it was rolling already

[dapleb]

It's rolling at 40yrs at the moment.

[Studley Ramrod]

Petition seems to be concerned with vintage cars, be nice if he included bikes as well.

[dapleb]

Hmmm yeah assumed it meant vehicles. Ian sure either boikes would be included or would soon follow...

[Studley Ramrod]

Just like the govt. to allow exemption for cars but not bikes eh.    I'll sign it anyhoos.

[wicklamulla]

done.

[TKH]

Amazes me. 30/40 year old car is a piece of polluting (sometimes shiny) old crap basically yet it's tax free and mot free. Drive a 3 and a bit year old car  without an mot and or tax, which is usually much better state of road worthiness, and you get done.

 

I also wouldn't be surprised if bikes missed the exemption. 

[Studley Ramrod]

Running one car for 30 to 40 yrs is a lot less polluting than running a new car every 3-4 years for 30 to 40 yrs.

[TKH]

What's often overlooked on old bangers is the spares/ repair items including new panels and paint over the 40 years and the pollution of them being made. And the fact that old cars while the metal is usually thicker, they don't do well in shunts and of course the exhaust fumes, more fuel due to less efficient engines, etc. my current car returns 75mpg on motorway runs or in the 60s urban 50s short runs. That's keeping to the speed limits. Previous car did 40, 30, 25. Same engine size.

 

I can't afford a new car every few years I tend to get a 2/3 year old medium family car and run that. Usually till it's no longer economically viable to repair. That's been 10 years (each) for the last 3 cars. The failure has been highlighted on MOT, which of course won't happen for an old car as the owner is "trusted" to ensure the car is in a good state of repair. So when an old banger runs into you through brake, steering or some other failure due to poor maintenance, then their insurance won't pay so your stuck. It's a joke that's on the majority of people who run safe cars. Yes some owners of old bangers will take the time, expense and effort to maintain their vehicles just like some owners of old bikes do.

 

The one and only benefit of taxing a car was that it confirmed the car had a valid mot which at least means it was safe in the last few months. The tax on my car is £0 so I understand the desire for £0 road tax, I but I have to go through motions of the taxing process every year. Not mot, no tax.

 

I'll get my coat..........

Edited by TKH, 07 June 2019 - 07:37 pm.

[dapleb]

I think anything 30+ years old ve-hickles will be doing a much smaller percentage of work than a modern Juan.

If you are relying on an MOT test to ensure a ve-hickle is "safe" then good luck ..you is gonna need it.

Most peeps owning a car/boike of this age do the work themsens..... uneconomic to repair after 10years use!!!! Jeebus! Not sure how long I have owned my youngest ve-hickle mayhaps 12 years, it's now 18years old and will do the same again easily.

[fixitsan]

Running one car for 30 to 40 yrs is a lot less polluting than running a new car every 3-4 years for 30 to 40 yrs.

 

 

You're absolutely  right, and I once worked it out, due to an uncharacteristically heated debate with environmentalists on the internet.

 

Taking a VW Golf at 50mpg and comparing it to an old V8 gas guzzler running at 18mpg, -  if you build a VW Golf to replace and retire the gas guzzler, there is no environmental benefit until the Golf has traveled 100,000 miles or so, and the overall gains if the golf gets to 150,000 are still marginal

 

It's interesting that the concept of replacing power consuming products with higher efficiency versions rarely results in an environmental gain when you consider the full 'dust to dust' life cycles.........hmmmmm. it's almost like 'better efficency' is a cracking good sales scam

Edited by fixitsan, 28 June 2019 - 09:27 pm.

[fixitsan]

What's often overlooked on old bangers is the spares/ repair items including new panels and paint over the 40 years

 

and the pollution of them being made.

 

 and of course the exhaust fumes, more fuel due to less efficient engines, etc. my current car returns 75mpg on motorway runs or in the 60s urban 50s short runs. That's keeping to the speed limits. Previous car did 40, 30, 25. Same engine size.

 

 

The cost of the panels and paint to the environment used to repair an old car is just the same as a new car. If people change car's at 5 years how many times will those body panels need changing ? Not as many will need to be repaired as the full set required for every new car.

 

The point about efficiency in running is actually cancelled out by the environmental cost of producing the replacement vehicle.

 

The very best thing for the environment is to keep running the cars we have now until they become economically impossible to repair, when the next best course of action is to replace it with another older car, ....can't see it catching on with the car industry

Edited by fixitsan, 29 June 2019 - 08:51 am.

[TKH]

 

 

The cost of the panels and paint to the environment used to repair an old car is just the same as a new car. If people change car's at 5 years how many times will those body panels need changing ? Not as many will need to be repaired as the full set required for every new car.

 

The point about efficiency in running is actually cancelled out by the environmental cost of producing the replacement vehicle.

 

The very best thing for the environment is to keep running the cars we have now until they become economically impossible to repair, when the next best course of action is to replace it with another older car, ....can't see it catching on with the car industry

 

Wish I could afford to replace my car every 5 years.

[fixitsan]

 

Wish I could afford to replace my car every 5 years.

 

Don't we all !

 I have a company car, one of a million company cars (out of 24 million cars), which are changed every three years. Having said that company cars can often clock up big mileages, which is best for the environment, but because most of the miles are in a straight line on the motorway they often have the ability to travel much futther in their lifetime due to that simple lifetime that they should probably be changed much less frequently. Eventually maintenance costs do kick in and start to affect the cost model.

[Bjørge]

[...] more fuel due to less efficient engines, etc. my current car returns 75mpg on motorway runs or in the 60s urban 50s short runs. That's keeping to the speed limits. Previous car did 40, 30, 25. Same engine size.

 

Well, not necesarily so for motorcycles.....Even if there are efficient new engines out there, the older ones normally used less. My all time high was 108 MPG on my '77 Honda 400 four (ok, a bit small bike, maybe), while the '76 XS650 regularily made 63 MPG. A lot of owners of new bikes would be very satisfied to see such figures....

It is possible, though, my wife's NC750S runs between 85 and 100 MPG. 

[leehenty]

My TDM does about 59- 67 depending on the position of the fun control. Royal Enfield never less than 85-90, fun control makes no difference, it's slow or slower

[Studley Ramrod]

Good figures there Lee.

 

 

Well, not necesarily so for motorcycles.....Even if there are efficient new engines out there, the older ones normally used less. My all time high was 108 MPG on my '77 Honda 400 four (ok, a bit small bike, maybe), while the '76 XS650 regularily made 63 MPG. A lot of owners of new bikes would be very satisfied to see such figures....

It is possible, though, my wife's NC750S runs between 85 and 100 MPG. 

Gallons were bigger back in the day though, just like Mars bars and Wagonwheels.  

 

There's more pressure on manufacturers these days to offer good mpg and lower emissions, what with climate change and that girl who told Trump he was murdering people.

[Dickiebig]

My TDM does about 59- 67 depending on the position of the fun control. Royal Enfield never less than 85-90, fun control makes no difference, it's slow or slower

What Enfield have you got?